Hate in the Counter-Transference : 5th February 1947 (London) : Donald W. Winnicott

by Julia Evans on February 5, 1947

Based on a paper read to the British Psycho-Analytical Society, 5th February 1947, 

Was originally published in The International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, IJPA, (1949; 30:69-74).

P194-203 of D. W. Winnicott, Collected Papers: Through Paediatrics to Psycho-Analysis. (1958a), London: Tavistock Publications.

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Winnicott 1947 =  British Medical Journal correspondence (1947); and “Physical Therapy of Mental Disorder.” British Medical Journal, 17th May 1947; 1:688

Winnicott 1949 = Leucotomy. British Medical Students’ Journal, Spring 1949, 3, 2, 35

Related texts of Jacques Lacan

NOTE : It has not been possible to find a direct quote of this text, however there is an overlap in the following:

Seminar IV : 30th January 1957, p7 of the translation by Alma Buholzer, Greg Hynds,  Jesse Cohn,   Julia EvansGanesh Anantharaman  :  See Seminar IV : The Object Relation & Freudian Structures 1956-1957 : begins 21st November 1956 : Jacques Lacan or here http://www.lacanianworks.net/?p=11980

In short, what we find in the relations to the love object that organise this cycle for the fetishist is an alternating identification with the woman insofar as, for him, the imaginary phallus of the primordial experiences of the oral-anal stage is oriented towards the aggressiveness of the sadistic vision of coitus. Many of these experiences, revealed by analysis, demonstrate an observation of the primal scene, perceived as cruel, aggressive, violent, or even murderous. It is thus an identification with the woman, confronted with this destructive penis, or conversely, an identification with this imaginary phallus on the part of the subject, which turns him into a pure object for the woman; something she can devour or even destroy.
But it is this oscillation, between the two poles of this primitive imaginary relation, to which the child is brutally exposed, which is not yet established in its oedipal lawfulness via the introduction of the father as a subject, as a centre of order and legitimate possession. The subject is engaged in this bipolar oscillation of the relation between two objects which we may call irreconcilable and which, in any event, ends in destruction or even murder. 

Seminar IV : 27th February 1957, p13 :   It’s an implicit desire that must be satisfied, and since it is a desire that cannot be satisfied, one can only deceive it. 

What gets established in this relation, which is so characteristic and which we always forget: human exhibitionism is not like the exhibitionism of others, like the robin. It is something which undoes its pants at a given moment, and then closes them again. If there are no pants, there is a dimension of exhibitionism that is missing. So, what is happening here? There we also possibly see regression, for ultimately this unquenchable, unsatisfied mother, around whom the child’s whole lead-up towards the path of narcissism is constructed, is a real person. She is there and like all unsatisfied beings, she is there looking for what she is going to devour. The very same thing that the child previously used to destroy his symbolic satisfaction, he now finds in front of him, possibly an open mouth. 

We also find the projected image of the oral situation at the level of imaginary sexual satisfaction.

Seminar IV : 6th March 1957,  p12, Just as in the presence of the mother’s failure [du défaut de], I told you that the child crushes himself in the satisfaction of feeding, so at this moment when he is the centre, that is no longer sufficient to give what there is to give – he finds himself in this turmoil of being no longer enough.
At that very moment, regression occurs, which simulates the same short circuit with which primitive frustration is satisfied, just as he [the child] seized the breast to resolve every problem. The only thing that opens in front of him like a hollowness [béance] – which is exactly what is happening now – is the fear of being devoured by the mother, and this is the first guise that the phobia takes on..
This is very precisely what appears in the case of our little fellow, because any horse that is the object of phobia is, all the same, of a horse that bites, is what it is all about. And the theme of devouring is always in some way, to be found in the structure of the phobia. Is that all? Of course not!
It is not just anything that bites, nor that devours. 

:  See Seminar IV : The Object Relation & Freudian Structures 1956-1957 : begins 21st November 1956 : Jacques Lacan or here 

Seminar X : 21st November 1962, pII 15 of Cormac Gallagher’s translation, see Seminar X: The Anxiety (or Dread): 1962-1963: begins 14th November 1962: Jacques Lacan   or here or www.LacanianWorks.org ,  In analysis, there is something which is prior to everything that we can elaborate or understand, and this I will call the presence of the Other. There is no self-analysis; even when one imagines it, the Other is there. I recall it because it is already on this path and on the same path of simplicity that I placed what I had to tell you, what I indicated to you, what I began to indicate to you about something which goes further, namely that anxiety is this certain relationship which I have only imaged up to now. I recalled for you the last time the image, with the sketch I re-evoked of my presence, my very modest and embarrassed presence in the presence of the giant praying mantis, I already told you more therefore in saying to you: this is related to the desire of the Other. 

This Other, before knowing what my relationship with its desire means when I am in a state of anxiety, first of all put the Other there.

Seminar XVII, 11th March 1970 : (P112 in Adrian Price’s translation), pVIII 13-14 in Cormac Gallagher’s translation : Psychoanalysts are becoming increasingly involved in something that is, in effect, extremely important, namely, the role of the mother.  These are things, good God, that I have already begun to tackle. The role of the mother is the mother’s desire. This is of cardinal importance. The mother’s desire is not something that can be tolerated just like that, that you are indifferent to. It always causes damage. A huge crocodile between whose jaws you are – that is the mother! You never know what may suddenly come over her and make her shut her trap. That is the mother’s desire. So then, I tried to explain that there was something reassuring. I am telling you simple things, I am improvising, I have to say. There is a cylinder (rouleau) a stone of course, which is there, potentially, at the level of her trap, and it acts as a restraint, a wedge. It is what is called the Phallus. The cylinder protects you, if, all of a sudden, it snaps shut.

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